From experience I can say that I have NEVER listened to the entire content of a box set and I have plenty of those. The trojan horse is putting together almost every track in the vaults and pressing a limited run and charging a new benchmark price ; 6 months after that release, after whetting appetites and publicising its existence, selling it by the boat load for ‘half price’ has to be the end game and the real £generator for the labels sat on all the big-name back catalogues. Even if they reissue them in the future, there might be a much smaller audience. This box set can’t compare to that one, so why the abusive price? So, I truly welcome the opportunity to be able to play unreleased music and give listeners an insight into unknown or rarely heard stuff. This means for me that it contains all tracks available on CD’s, an extended booklet and a gimmick/gadget exclusive to the set. If people are prepared to pay those prices so be it. _is_ important. I don’t care if the Roxy box costs £60 or £150 – it’s just been done carelessly. I would also say the Who’s Tommy, Quadrophenia and My Generation SDE sets, which were priced much lower than FITD are almost perfect as well, aesthetically and content wise. It’s not right – why add the Vinyl? And I know others of the same opinion. When the song charted, the price shot up. In all other cases I wait for the bargain bin to be filled. The package wasn’t a considered a ‘naughty, but nice’ luxury. There are rules so fundamental that we all abide by them. For me these are two of the many reasons why I continue to build my collection. 3. I wouldn’t pay the same price for the Roxy box. Buy at £130 Finally I think it is the duplicity of companies trying to hide the run numbers that are affecting sales. You've probably noticed that antique music boxes are divided into two types, cylinder music boxes and disc music boxes. The recent King Crimson set (Sailor’s Tales) retails for around the same price; it contains three studio albums remixed into stereo and surround, loads of live concert recordings, and includes a decent booklet (and some bits and bobs). Record companies are on the ropes. bananarama “in a bunch” You’re sure to find a style fit for every occasion imagine. The record companies want to raise us to buy both. Then again, to close the circle, one might consider every pop music artefact that’s out of reach for the masses a bit sketchy so no need to complain. If the sound gets panned, or if folks point out that there’s stuff that obviously should have been in the set (e.g. I count myself in that category. I paid big bucks for both the Dead Or Alive (I may shell out for a signed one if it pops up somewhere for a good price and/or trade my copy for a signed one if I get a good deal) and Debbie Gibson sets. yes, a Rolex watch will last quite a long time. Luckily, if I end up writing colossal amounts – and I don’t always, only if the story needs it – the labels I’ve dealt with have understood the value of that content and stretched their budgets – and the physics of releases – to accommodate – like Topic’s ‘Anne Briggs: A Collection’ in the late 90s (c.11,000 words and 36 pages or thereabouts, in a jewel case – the limit of what was possible) or the RPM ‘Turtle Records’ clamshell set I mentioned earlier. The internet makes originality more difficult, since nearly everything from the past is instantly available for comparison. And you are right; retail can be kind of a drag sometimes but wholesale can be even more exciting. We are working on implementing advance sorting features in the near future. They reuse the unacclaimed, easily bargain bin avalable or already owned by most people ones. More? – Dylan’s bootleg series boxes offer a “taster’ on streaming platforms, not the whole box. Sorry to be morbid, but the buying base for these items is shrinking, no matter how you look at it. There are affordable mass-produced new imports as well as more expensive, elaborate collectible models of music boxes for sale. Something is only premium if your wallet isn’t big enough? Someone else always does and soon the item is OOP. Super Deluxe Editions are one SKU in an array of digital and physical offerings — digital downloads (mp3, .wav, ACC, FLAC, AIFF, …), streaming services (free, premium), catalog CDs, remaster CDs, expanded CDs, exclusive editions (Hip-O, MFSL), premium technology CDs (20/24bit, 92 KHz, SHM, platinum SHM, HQ, SACD, hybrid SACD), 5.1 DVDs , blu-rays, vinyl (standard, 140/180/200g, 45RPM, half-speed masters, color/multi-color, premium pressing plants, NA/EU/JAP manufacturing), and of course, non-super deluxe editions — offered to today’s finely segmented marketplace. That’s NOT value by any standard. I can’t think of anyone I know who wouldn’t first (if not almost entirely) be thinking about the content. Music boxes were originally designed to be calming and graceful, or to help with sleep. The set should have been ltd to 3000 copies and should have been signed by all surviving members with new remastering plus a vinyl copy .If you had then priced it at £200 i wonder if i have a very basic theory for box sets, I do love them dearly but I have my own pricing model: £10 for each CD, £15 for Vinyl and £10-£15 for DVD/blu ray. We carry the following brands: Reuge / Romance, Sankyo/Orpheus and Yunsheng / Rhymes. It’s just the contents that let that one down…. I was just referring to audio content- no 12-inch remixes etc. More personal. This has simply been talked about and ‘not happened’ for years and years. I have this un-opened! And there is no doubt SOME value to these things, but think of it like a DVD with directors commentary. Things that I also consider : Just like a painter or any other performing artist. You can place an order 3 ways. The gremlins have won…. So ironic. The heated debates on here are always about the standard of mastering/mixing and whether all the different b-sides, bonus tracks, edits and remixes are included – nobody is really that bothered about the books, the posters, sunglasses, badges and reproduction gig flyers etc are they?. Not every painting will go for millions, not every band can ask a $200 price ticket. Part of the issue is also reissue fatigue–i.e., we get the brand new re-master of something or we see things reissued gain and again with a little more content each time. The key is to realize margin within a short period of time. – I’m really a fan 39,- Euro from Amazon.de at a certain point. They pay it because the musical content is superior to any other version. From your child's recital, a personal message you recorded for someone or a song you heard before. A 2CD+blu-ray with album, B-side/remixes and a 5.1 mix priced at around the £30 mark would do REALLY well and not duplicate much from the 25th anniversary box. But since some years now, I have the feeling that the price of a number of Super Deluxe Boxsets is in no relation to the content that is interesting for ME. You ask about pay, PC… Well, it differs. So overall, popular music isn’t quite as inspirational as it was for the previous sixty years or so. We do this through our unique custom digital module. A t-shirt is only a glamourous merchandise object in the market department; Music is the purest of the arts. So I think even the networks had a hard time making money from Buffy, much less Whedon's production company. Sorry, but I for one can just not afford to buy this gem! In this Our Changing Climate environmental video essay, I look at why Fjällräven is so expensive. However, as much as I love REM’s majestic ‘Automatic For The People’ I waited ages to get a deal on it because it is a 1992 album (that I already have) and though it comes with an excellent live gig and a mixed bag of demos, it should have been £50 not £80 and the record company would have probably doubled their sales. I read an article from Cherry Red records who state that major labels are more than happy to license out material to third parties that the majors don’t see a profit margin in. That item for me was The Who’s Live at Leeds box set. Now, there is a new box that must be considered. Indirectly, possible mark up on resale also feeds the frenzy. ARTISTS. However, the best content vs value for money have been the INXS Kick, The Smiths The Queen Is Dead & Marillion Misplaced Childhood. Only as collectable so long as there are fans. Really! Only My Bag (Dancing Remix) was included from the 12″ Versions. If it does, there’s surely something very weird going on :). Why CDs still matter. This rule is so elegantly simple that once you understand it you will know all you ever need to know about antique music box repair. It will hit a point that they stop selling out, but until that is reached they will do what businesses do, try to make money. Some of it has to do with the amount of material, but also, they failed to nail it – no Steven Wilson stereo mix, no “Numberer,” etc. Thanks, Colin and Paul. We wanted one and got the other. Fans will definitely pay more – but everybody has their own limit. The fact that we get the standard Ludwig remaster (which everyone already has) taking up the space of something that we don’t need to have again. Don’t buy an Android streaming box with less than 2GB of RAM. What I love is when a deluxe set is actually a work of art in its own right and I think that is the challenge – if you charge top dollar then ensure it is a luxury item that will be desirable to own. And the home front reminds us of that every time a nice box set gets delivered in the mail. Thanks Paul – yes, it’s all there now – some two or three times, so apologies to readers! Imagine, it cost $1.25 for a 78 RPM record with 1-2 songs back in 1900. You could pick up loads of vinyl at HMV for 99p in the early 80’s. Patience will get you there, folks! one box set I annotated 10+ years ago contained 45,000 words that were honed from what had once been a projected book). A similar thing happened when RPM opted for a perfect-bound book in the set when I delivered 17,000 words a couple of years ago – more than expected, but I really relished the opportunity to do a load of research and many interviews – for their 3CD clamshell box of the Turtle Records 1970-71 story (more British jazz…). You are over familiar with the words and you could do with some help – getting other people to check over things. Within 2 years an update was released and now the prices went from £35k to £57k. So, no kudos forthcoming for your investment or passion for physical music! I have the previous MGM LPs box and it duplicates a lot of that so did I really need to?! Vinyl at £170+! The way most of the super de”luxe” box sets are presented, simply has luxury written all over it. They not only show how studious and hard working he was but how utterly musical he is – he can literally pick up anything and make it work and sound good in the context of what he’s working on. Craigslist and Freecycle are great sources for moving boxes, too. But if the general sentiment is that the price is too high as consumers we have immense power – don’t buy. I don’t think you have the whole story here. Other conditions apply. Why there’s any need to get angry because of the inflated launch prices, I’ll never get. Asking why a Snap-On tool box is so expensive is a little like asking why a Porsche or Lamborghini is so expensive. Get it as soon as Tue, Jan 5. And definitely don’t inconvenience them with a status inquiry after a few months because that will either annoy them or they will disregard it, and you will get a response once there’s been a review (if that ever happens). So to risk putting out these large sums for a chance improvement is not in my game plan. As vocal and valuable as the feedback and response from this forum is, it will be the economics of the industry (labels, artists, content owners, suppliers, manufacturers, distributors, service providers, retailers, marketers) and revenues/profits from consumer sales and co-marketing that determine what will be produced and brought to market. Yes you can but before you do, please contact us by email at help@musicboxattic.com or by phone at (866)622-8842. Come on record companies, lets have these sets at realistic prices please so all can afford them…. Thanks to this site, I was able to buy it at 60% of the debut price. Please let’s have some releases with new tracks, or different versions, at prices the ordinary music lover, on vinyl, can afford. All that matters is how something can be accessed not how good / bad it sounds. Most of us don’t even need to go into a shop now and have a conversation with someone. We have thousands of styles at any given moment available in stock to choose from. The benchmark is the XTC reissues – loads of content for a decent price with extensive sleeve notes in a simple package – does anyone really want any more than that? I really enjoy downloading the bulk of my music so it’s portable but have a weakness for unique boxes or colored vinyl and will splurge for them (and at the back of my mind resell later if I decide I really don’t need it). I think some of the worst sets are those with ‘stingy’ contents and rediculous price tags in comparison to similar content (e.g. Very interesting discussion, Paul – much appreciated. Back then, the only affordable way to buy CD’s was to rummage through bargain bins. Top fellow! To me the nail is hit squarely during your “conversation piece”. There’s no way I would spend £65 on a t shirt. My number one consideration is the music. Roxy Music SDE will be £60 by the time the For Your Pleasure SDE and Roxy Music Vinyl SDE are released – bring it on, I can wait another 6 months. I couldn’t care less whether it’s a status symbol. I could name a few more SDE which sell for a lot more than their initial RRP. No one would have complained at £100+ if it was a 2.5 hour extravaganza of well thought out stage craft and a superb set list. – The Floyd early years box: I was lucky enough to get this for only £100, but the £500 price tag seemed crazy. The car was a corker. I got the Kraftwerk boxset last year (Which i haven’t heard too many complaints about), Underworld, Blancmange, Human League and a few more. If I’m interested in a concert, I want to have good seats, and good seats don’t come cheap. The Music Box timer. It is not that hard. However those Townshend demos for me were an absolute revelation. One last thing, I’m not sure letting the artist or band curate an SDE is a good idea. I’d rather pay for a physical item rather than a bunch of files (iTunes) or worse, a bunch of files that I will never come close to owning (Spotify). This has never been the idea behind albums and/or cd’s. The price of any product is governed by what the customer is prepared to pay. Someone willing to pay $150 for a album set will just buy it to have the best or cor a completest thing, or get it as a gift, but isolating the bonus material is really not such a good idea. Frustrating. Any number of designer t-shirts could never compare to what I have and will continue to build. I wonder how likely ‘Siren’ or ‘Manifesto’ are to get done if this album is a sales disappointment. Dr. Volume, can’t say anything else except that I agree with you 100%. And it all came inside a material-covered box, not mere cardboard. The perceived “value” has been debated here & on other fora. (the Universal/Hip-O Select _Complete Motown Singles_ sets would make my list if the sound wasn’t so poor so often — I did buy them all, but I wish I was more enthusiastic about them). Even allowing the luxury of one disc per day (and it will have taken less time than that), that’s not going to significantly affect the cost of this box set. Have you seen the price of a low number Beatles white album for example? Second, being a nerd, I care about information: sessionographies and discographies; detailed biography/history over florid complimentary puff pieces by a fan; etc. Thankfully, most modern boomboxes still include CD players. Personally, I can think of only one box set I’ve bought of which I recall thinking ‘what a beautiful artefact’ – the Popul Vuh soundtracks set, with a matt laminate packaging or somesuch – minimalist design, modestly priced, but aiming very high. So, in conclusion, it’s not the money it’s the pride, or lack of, in production. you can hear it, you can feel it, but you can’t hold it. To me it is my life time of work and my legacy, and nobody could ever take that away, or taint it. The moments where that rule gets broken, things can get interesting or ugly. Rolls-Royce makes some of the world's most luxurious and expensive cars. I know two extremely good remastering engineers, including one of the absolute top in the UK, used (whether credited or not) on numerous major label projects and, for both, the fee is £350 a day. There are maybe a handful of albums or bands of whom I might be tempted to buy one of those art pieces, with the content to price ratio being not that much of a concern. (I also wish the DSOTM/WYWH/Wall reissues would get re-released in Early Years Book format.). The problem is that the record labels have allowed music to become devalued, so $9.99 is perceived as being expensive. Oh my God! Not at this current time. In my opinion the record companies are trying to push up the prices in order to see how far the die hard fans are willing to go. I’m with you on that… I work for a publishing company and know how much a book costs to make – we get books printed here in the uk with 220 pages litho printed – they cost about £5 to £6 each and add on a slip case for about £2. Proper art paper, not digital printed shiny stock. because you are paying for a Name that probably adds 30% but the real rip-off? the price of a CD should be around £10 or so For me, if I take a project on – certainly in recent years – it’s because I like the music and feel I can research it and do a good job, using the opportunity to buy some time (probably at a terrible pro-rata rate in terms of time involved, but it works out enough), do the research and get information ‘out there’ for posterity. I usually spend a lot of money buying records, but I’d feel ripped off buying products that are too expensive (and yes, there are fewer people buying records, so the demand isn’t exactly high – artificially inflating prices would only make selling the products even harder). Back in the Eighties, Marshall Cavendish published a part-work called ‘.Face to Face.’ I’m aware of the th album and heard it years ago. For example, I downloaded an album from ITunes last weekend for … I assume that is one way of saying vinyl sales are up, package them with cd’s in box sets. he obviously didn’t make much from wings, and that divorce must have cost him a bit. For me the box set gets to be a “luxurious” and “too expensive” if the same content is included in several different formats that makes the other obsolete. That all said, if it seems like too much, don’t pay it. It’s just not what I’m looking for. That immediately rules out paying premiums for CDs unless that is the only medium available. a total waste of time. Yet I bought it because it was a terrific price from a German retail site, and I only had half the content…. those band tour t shirts that sell for £25 in concerts. Phantom and Christine, Music of the Night, All I Ask of You. The retailer? Another day. Please contact us by email at help@musicboxattic.com or by phone at (866)622-8842 for further details. Hardback book – maybe another £5-10, tops. I know of many artists who have taken MILLIONS of dollars off labels for catalog revamps because either a) they have possession of tapes the label owns the rights to but does not have in their possession or b) the label need permissions to create new editions. I came to Hux with the idea, having some knowledge of the Island studio holdings (through working with Hux on two unreleased Island-era concert sets licensed from Universal in the late 2000s). Weird… wasn’t aware of any posting limit. It’s art, not a pizza. But including Pete’s demos which in the grand scheme are probably the high end of demos. What musical movement manufacturers/brands do you have available? They have already spend some money, so that’s why the price for a box set can’t be too high. Still have my cassette copy of Hunky Dory my only legal way to listen to Bombers or the Quicksand demo…. We also directly specialize in Handmade Sorrento music boxes from Italy. Check back with us for any updates. But it needs to realise that my market LOVES the music and that one person’s wart is another’s beauty. The Queen News of The World release could have been really exciting, but Queen have taken the Mick so many times with stingy releases and then when they finally offer something a bit more they charge a fortune for it and don’t even include a 5.1 mix. Most of us visiting this site do have friends with similar musical interests, be it friends in real life or online (forums etc.) The SW box sets are nothing short of stunning, visually & from an audio perspective. Money is not. But these are line item features designed to make you feel better about the purchase and you can bet any major label can calculate if the investment is worth the return based on historical data and future sales projections. Personally, I am after the sound so might pay £20 per high fidelity re-issue (or new issue) of something I want to LISTEN too. isn’t going to sway me. That is a great post, Paul, very thought provoking. eBay lists thousands of varieties of reasonably priced music boxes for sale from many genres. My bias towards the writer is because I’m a journalist. I have made one switch in my purchasing. where items like these will be discussed an dissected and, if one so desires, onze can show off with their latest purchases. I remember when I was a not-so-well-off student in the 80s and already my music habits were starting to form. I have had 3 disc deluxe editions for £50 and been beautifully presented but only had 2 hours of audio (McCartney sets mainly) and I have paid £20 for 20 disc sets (Elvis Presley & Miles Davis album collections) which have amazing audio content. An interesting comparison Paul. It’s unlikely that anyone would find that acceptable. They run a very tight ship with regard to stock levels – certainly they’ll bring in extra stock from the Continent if necessary, but wait too long, it’ll get deleted and you’ll end up on the thick end of robo-pricing with the Roxy box on Amazon for around £500+. Everytime I download a full album on ITunes, it always cost $1-2 more than the CD. B) those who want the item but will wait until it hits £57 as they KNOW it will drop but would buy at £130 if they knew it would NEVER drop, except perhaps by 10% after a year. Had I not been able to afford them I wouldn’t have been bothered about missing out on them. Could I live without them? And I'm going to teach you how to estimate repairs, so that you will know whether that blue smoke coming out of your antique music box means an expensive overhaul, or just some excess oil on the spring barrel. Omissions: when a box set of a certain record comes out with outtakes, alternate takes, mixes, etc., we all want it to be PICTURE PERFECT, because we KNOW that we won’t get another crack at it, as no record company would put out the same set again…or hardly ever. This is going to be another post in 2 parts cos I’ve now tried umpteen times to post what I’ve written in reply (and on 2 PCS too) and it just isn’t ‘taking’. Yet in less than ten years, both had issued multi disc versions of the albums I suggested issuing in these formats. But even here the price tag was too high. I myself haven’t bought the Roxy box yet for the simple reason everybody knows it will come down in price (and it already has). It’s all about VFM, we truly can’t expect big box items for £30 yet we shouldn’t accept parsimony from the company for £130. I have price points in my heads for what I think things should cost and if it exceeds (ex Automatic for the People) then I don’t bother or wait until it drops in price… if it ever does. Yes, please Click here for further details on how to go about mail in payments. For me, Bear Family and Mosaic Records make the best box sets in the world; of the sets not made by either of them, the Revenant Records Charlie Patton _Screamin’ and Hollerin’ the Blues_ set, the comprehensive period-oriented King Crimson boxes like the recent _Sailor’s Tales_ set, or any of many produced by Fantasy such as the Complete Riverside Monk, the Complete Riverside Bill Evans, etc., are what I want. But perhaps they have no such self-awareness and are free from the doubts and questions that plague some of us in work. For me, if I take a project on – certainly in recent years – it’s because I like the music and feel I can research it and do a good job, using the opportunity to buy some time (probably at a terrible pro-rata rate in terms of time involved, but it works out enough), do the research and get information ‘out there’ for posterity. You tend to listen to the rarities first and in most cases for the last time as well. Every generation does this. ( the only negative: no demo versions were used – a big plus: the instrumental versions ) As someone else mentioned much early, I do think if labels publicised properly the limited nature of the products that would help spur certain fans into action who might be more inclined to wait. As for sitting back and waiting till it gets cheaper, given the way Universal (et al) manage their inventory and pressing quantities, I would be very careful. SDE’s for me are a way of chasing audio holy grails – rarities, b sides, a way to replicate original vinyl mastering on CD…. I buy Roxy Music albums BECAUSE there are people who overpay for a dumb t shirt. The cost over time though is expensive. The difference between deluxe editions and a designer t shirt is that the SDE is mine, for me to enjoy and cherish. That’ll do me. But what a great box set design tons of extras books,poster etc etc lovely in every way. Some boxset are simply stunning and Some are dissapointing. And despite the Flowers in the Dirt download only shambles, I think it’s a bit wild to compare this Roxy set to most of McCartney’s. Different people are going to judge the value of the content of a box set in different ways, and arrive at different conclusions. I have many ornaments my mom use to work for hallmark I have boxes filled ..wish I could post pictures . But we SDE lovers are not alone in being ripped off. You can do that… but that’s not what it’s for. I really want queen news of the world but since I don’t do vinyl any longer I can’t justify the price tag. I have 19 distinct variants of Allman Bros Live @ the Fillmore. If only there was a Musical Goods Related Ombudsman, these prices have gone through the roof and must be stopped before we are all forced to pay £30 for a 7” Single, £70/80 for a Single LP And £400+ For Super Deluxe Box Sets…. Chris Part of the issue is that, except for the truly limited edition items, you know you will be able to buy it for half the price in 6 months. £130 is going to eat significantly into my yearly budget…if the music industry is going to treat me (or fans in general) like that, music will no longer be a priority. As someone up above said, the casual fan is unlikely to be willing to pay more than 10-15 pounds. If I were in charge, I would think of a lower tier for the casual buyer, and if you are going to go super deluxe, then go big or go home. A corrected dts 24/96 5.1 of “Play” DVD was re-released as the 2nd disc of a PG Blu-ray of Live in Athens here in America circa 2015: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E6F155E?ref_=mw_olp_product_details. A whole new industry developed around this. For $80 you can get three or four of the Pet Shop Boys remasters, which sound great and whose booklets, though they are small, are terrific to read. You ask about pay, PC… Well, it differs. To me that makes a complete package. Sorrento boxes) requires that you select a song from a list of available tunes located the actual product page. The Roxy box set is mainly recycled product, the production costs of which were covered some decades ago. the people who made the box and the art and stuff probably never even visited the recording studio where the music was made, and maybe weren’t even born then, so price your t shirts too high and people will wait for the sale or get knock offs or buy something else, price your music too high, and people will download or stream it for free, if you read certain websites for freaks who torrent, it’s the same old excuses you hear, if the industry blah blah blah and it was cheaper etc etc etc we would pay, but you know the truth is simply if you can get it for nothing, many people will get it for nothing, whether it’s legal or not, as long as they think the risk of getting caught is little to none, so price the box sets too high and fans will just download them instead, so the next set if they bother, will have a lower run, so higher cost per item, and prices go up due to economy of scale. 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